Brusnica

Prije svega, lijep pozdrav svim forumašima poljoprivrednog foruma.
Ovdje sam novi, a pridružujem se zajednici kako bih nešto naučio i dobio neke korisne savjete.

Da krenem, ovog ljeta sam se zaljubio u brusnicu i odlučio krenuti u manji uzgoj brusnice.
Jako puno sam čitao po netu o njoj i čak sam jučer naručio knjigu o uzgoju borovnice i brusnice. Ono što me zanima (a nikako nisam uspio prosurfati) je koliko se otprilike dobije plodova od jedne sadnice brusnice (točnije, američke brusnice)?

Koliko sam mogao pročitati sadi se na svakih 30cm a svaki redak bi trebao biti razmaknut otprilike 90 cm. Jeli to točno?

Eto, molio bih da ako netko ima nekakvog iskustva s brusnicom da mi odgovori. Naravno, imam još dosta pitanja oko uzgoja pa do same prodaje plodova. O tome kasnije.

Još da spomenem da sam pregledao cijeli forum ali nisam uspio pronaći temu o brusnici. Ako slučajno postoji, moderatori bi zamolio da je spoje s postojećom.

americku brusnicu sadis 1*1m jer ti 5 godine pusti i preko metra stolone ja ih imam trecu godinu i sad su vec oko metra,a plodova imam dva tri kom jer ona tek puni rod dobiva 5godinu onda kazu oko 1kg po stablu ali opet ovisi i sljiva bi trebala dat 150 kg
Europska je jednostavnija i manje zahtjevna sta se tice tla malo je sitniji plod ali ga ima.

zoky28 je napisao/la:americku brusnicu sadis 1*1m jer ti 5 godine pusti i preko metra stolone ja ih imam trecu godinu i sad su vec oko metra,a plodova imam dva tri kom jer ona tek puni rod dobiva 5godinu onda kazu oko 1kg po stablu ali opet ovisi i sljiva bi trebala dat 150 kg Sad
Europska je jednostavnija i manje zahtjevna sta se tice tla malo je sitniji plod ali ga ima.

ufff!

Jel ti imaš puno toga ili samo hobi? Koliko sam se uspio informirati, europska brusnica nije baš za komercijalnu proizvodnju već za hobi sadnju. Jel europska brusnica ne zahtijeva takvu kiselost zemlje ili?

Američka brusnica je puzeća i zahtijeva više prostora, mora se pljeviti između ili koristiti foliju. Nisam čula da li je netko pokušao okomit uzgoj? Meni se ona čini kao vrlo interesantna za sadnju na kosinama, više kao hortikulturana biljka, možda na kosini podzidanoj sa ciglom, a da se svaka treća cigla izostavi i tu posadi brusnica.

Evropska brusnica raste u grmičima, i lakše se obrađuje. Sama brusnica je mala biljka i ne može dati puno plodova. Moja procjena je da za standardni urod možemo očekivati oko pola kile, jedino ako joj se baš poklope svi uvijeti onda do kilu po biljci.

Krvnički je posao branje brusnica isto ko i jagoda. Stalno se mora biti pri tlu sagnut. Ako se ide u ozbiljniju proizvodnju mora se računati sa cijenom radne snage, što znatno povisuje i cijenu ploda. Uzgoj brusnica kod nas je u samom začetku i jako je teško naći bilo kakkve savjete iz prakse, ali ako imate volju valja pokušati.

imam 20 americkih i europskih oko 30 .
Europska zahtjeva manja paznje ,lakse je radit oko nje samo je osjetljiva na dusik odma list pocrni i susi se.
a ph mora bit ispod 5 i jedne i druge .
Sreca je da se lagano razmnozava pa mi se nemre posusit koliko je mogu namnozit jos je bolja od vrbe zapiknes grancicu i evo nove brusnice
Americku bi preporucio posadit u tegle ja imam sklepano od jelovih daski(obavezno) lakse je pljevit pa kasnije presadit u zemlju .

Background
Cranberries are a unique fruit. They can grow and survive only under a very special combination of factors. These factors include acid peat soil, an adequate fresh water supply, and a growing season that extends from April to November. Cranberries grow on low-lying vines in beds layered with sand, peat, gravel and clay. These beds are commonly known as bogs or marshes and were originally created by glacial deposits. Commercial bogs use a system of wetlands, uplands, ditches, flumes, ponds and other water bodies that provide a natural habitat for a variety of plant and animal life.
Classification
The North American cranberry, Vaccinium macrocarpon, is the fruit recognized by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) as the standard for fresh cranberries and the cranberry juice cocktail. The European variety, which is grown in parts of central Europe, Finland and Germany, is known as Vaccinium oxycoccus. This variety is a smaller fruit with anthocyanin pigment profiles similar to that of the North American variety. The European variety, however, has a different acid profile in terms of the percentages of quinic, malic and citric acid levels present. In Europe, this fruit is commonly known as lingonberry or English mossberry.
Cultivation
The cranberry is a Native American wetland fruit which grows on trailing vines like a strawberry. The vines thrive on the special combination of soils and water properties found in wetlands. Wetlands are nature's sponges; they store and purify water and help to maintain the water table. Cranberries grow in beds layered with sand, peat and gravel. These beds are commonly known as bogs or marshes and were originally formed as a result of glacial deposits.

In Massachusetts we call the place where cranberries grow a BOG. Natural bogs evolved from deposits left by the glaciers more than 10,000 years ago. These deposits were left in impermeable kettle holes lined with clay. The clay prevents materials from leaching into the groundwater. Rocks and other organic materials were collected by the glaciers. When the ice finally melted deposits of heavy materials were layered on top of the clay.

These kettle holes were filled with water and organic matter which created the ideal environment for cranberries. In the early 1800s Henry Hall, a veteran of the Revolutionary War who lived in Dennis Massachusetts noticed that sand blown in from nearby dunes helped vines grow faster. Today, growers spread a inch or two of sand on their bogs every three years. The sand not only helps the vines grow but also slows the growth of weeds and insects. Normally, growers do not replant each year since an undamaged cranberry vine will survive indefinitely. Some vines on Cape Cod are more than 150 years old and are still bearing fruit.

Location
Cranberries are grown through the northern part of the United States. The major production areas are New Jersey, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin and the Canadian provinces of British Columbia and Quebec. Other regions grow cranberries as well, to varying extent, and these include Delaware, Maine, Michigan, New York, Rhode Island, as well as the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Ontario. Cranberries are also commercially grown in Chile. These regions offer the special conditions that cranberries require, including sandy soil; abundant fresh water and a dormancy period that provides enough chill hours to produce a crop the following growing season.
View a map of where Massachusetts cranberry bogs are located.

The Massachusetts Growing Season...

Winter flood
Cranberry bogs are flooded from late December through mid- March depending on the weather, to protect the vines and buds from winter injury.

Sanding
A layer of sand is applied to the cranberry bog every few years. This cultural practice is done to stimulate growth, improve drainage and control weeds, insects and fungi. Sand can be applied in several ways. With dry sanding, sand is applied directly to the vines by a bog vehicle or by hand. In ice sanding, the sand is applied on the ice that forms on the winter flood. The third method is barge sanding, where sand is applied by using a barge on a flooded bog.
See the Ice Sanding page for more information.

Equipment maintenance and Construction
Since there are fewer than 1,000 cranberry growers in North America, large companies do not manufacture farm equipment for cranberry production. Most growers use the winter months to design, build and maintain their own equipment.

Brush cutting and Tree clearing
Growers often will remove brush and trees around the perimeter of the bog to promote air movement which helps reduce frost risk and cuts down on fungal growth. Removing brush and trees that serve as alternative hosts for weeds diseases and insects also helps cut down on pesticide use.
Grower Education
Through continuing education workshops, growers spend many hours learning the latest environmental and production related practices that will increase the efficiency and environmental compatibility of their operations.

Removal of Winter Flood
As warmer weather arrives, usually mid-March, growers remove the winter flood. The vines slowly come out of dormancy and the growing season begins.

Late water (Spring flooding)
You may see a bog re-flooded between mid-April and mid-May as a cultural practice to manage insects, weeds and disease.

Frost Protection
Water is applied through the sprinkler system to protect the cranberry bud and tender shoots in the spring. This can occur anytime the temperature drops below damaging levels, usually between late evening and early morning hours. See the Spring Frost page for more photos and video of frost protection.

Weed Management
As in your home garden, weeds in cranberry bogs must be controlled. This is done by an application of herbicides applied by mechanical means, holding late water (spring flooding) or hand pulling.
Ditch cleaning
Ditches are necessary for the flooding and drainage of a bog. The network of ditches must be kept free flowing. Ditch cleaning is usually done in the spring and fall by hand or a mini-excavator. The mud piles are removed by either a bog vehicle or helicopter.

Fertilizing
Typically, fertilizers are applied between mid-May and late August. As native wetland plants, cranberry vines require minimal nutrient supplements. When needed, fertilizers are applied in small doses by helicopter, manually, or through the sprinkler system.
Construction and Renovation of Cranberry Bogs
Many of the bogs in Southeastern Massachusetts have been in production for more than 100 years. Sometimes a bog may be replanted because: the bog may not be level, the variety is a low producer or weeds such as briar, poison ivy, or brambles have overtaken the vines. In such cases, large construction equipment is needed to move the soil, leveling the bog in preparation for planting new vines. Growers also may square off beds to increase operation efficiency. From time to time it is also necessary to upgrade or replace irrigation systems and water control structures.

The Massachusetts Growing Season...
Irrigation
The old rule-of-thumb is that cranberries require up to one inch of water per week during the growing season. If rainfall is inadequate, water is applied through the sprinkler system.

Weeds
Weeds may appear on a cranberry bog during the summer. Workers hand pull weeds or wipe them with a manual or mechanical herbicide applicator.

Bees
Pollination is an essential part of cranberry growing. Growers utilize one or two bee hives per acre of bog during bloom, early June through mid-July, to pollinate the cranberry flowers.

Integrated Pest Management (IPM)
Most growers use IPM techniques as an ecological approach to pest control. IPM includes a combination of biological, cultural, or chemical control methods. Throughout the spring and summer, IPM scouts use insect nets and sticky traps to monitor pest activity.

Pesticide Application
Insecticides and fungicides may be applied during the summer months to control or prevent serious damage caused by various insects and diseases. Pesticides are only used when necessary and are applied by state certified applicators. Although occasional applications may be made by helicopter, the vast majority are made through the sprinkler system.


Harvest
The cranberry harvest takes place once a year from mid-September through early November. There are two methods of harvesting cranberries.
Dry Harvesting
Dry harvesting uses walk-behind machines to comb the berries off the vines into burlap bags. Berries are then removed from the bogs by either bog vehicles or helicopters. The fruit is delivered to fresh fruit receiving stations where it is graded and screened based on color and ability to bounce (soft berries will not bounce). Dry harvested cranberries are used to supply the fresh fruit market. These cranberries are most often used for cooking and baking. Learn more about dry harvesting, including slide shows and video.....
Wet Harvesting
Cranberries have pockets of air inside the fruit. Because of this, cranberries float in water, and thus, the bogs can be flooded to aid in removal of fruit from the vines. Water reels, nicknamed “egg-beaters” are used to stir up the water in the bogs. By this action, cranberries are dislodged from the vines and float to the surface of the water. Wooden or plastic “booms” are used to round up the berries, which are then lifted by conveyor or pumped into a truck to take them to the receiving station for cleaning. More than 90% of the crop is wet harvested. Wet harvested cranberries are used for juices, sauces, sweetened dried cranberries, ingredients in other processed foods or in nutraceutical products.

Frost Protection
Water is applied through the sprinkler system to protect the ripening cranberries from freezing. This can occur anytime the temperature drops below damaging levels, usually between late evening and early morning hours. See the Fall Frost page for more photos of frost protection.
Ditch cleaning
Ditches are necessary for the flooding and drainage of a bog. The network of ditches must be kept free flowing. Ditch cleaning is usually done in the spring and fall by hand or a mini-excavator. The mud piles are removed by either a bog vehicle or helicopter.
Dry harvested cranberries represent the fruit that is sold as fresh fruit at farmer's markets, road-side stands and grocery store shelves. This traditional method of harvesting now represents about 10% of the Massachusetts cranberry harvest. The other 90% of the crop is picked wet and is used to make juice, sauce, sweetened dried cranberries, among other products. Even though fresh fruit represents a small fraction of the total harvested crop, it nevertheless is an important aspect of the cranberry industry and for many growers, a way of life.
In order to pick the fresh fruit, the vines must be completely dry. Even a slight shower the night before, heavy dew, or damp conditions from a frost night is enough to delay harvest until the conditions improve on the bog. Depending on the harvest season, these conditions can provide more than enough challenges to growers.
Today, dry harvested bogs are picked using mechanical pickers with styles named Darlington, Furford or Western. These self-propelled harvesters all work in a similar manner, combing through the bogs and the fruit is then conveyed into a burlap bag or wooden box. In previous generations, wooden boxes were the collection device of choice but today most growers utilize burlap. Once the bag is full, the operator stops the machine, removes the bag and sets it on the bog, places an empty bag onto the machine and continues harvesting. After a sufficient amount of bags have been filled, the bags are then generally transported into larger containers. Some growers carry the bags off of the bog by hand, some by tractors with trailers, while others empty the bags into large plastic bins that can hold about 300 pounds of fruit. They they stack two more bins on top of the original bin, filling each bin as they proceed. The stack of three bins is then flown off of the bog via helicopter and onto waiting flatbed trucks for delivery to the screening plant or storage barn.
During the months of April, May, and June, the cranberry plant moves from winter dormancy allowing the bud to transition its development into uprights with flowers and fruit. A critical growing practice at this time is to monitor the growth of the cranberry vines by observing the vine’s pigmentation and the development and coloration of the bud at the end of upright vines. These clues give an indication as to what temperatures the plant will be able to withstand before a fatal frost sets in.
Cranberries have a temperature tolerance at which the plant can withstand damage from frost. This tolerance changes as the plant matures each week during the spring growth spurt. A cranberry farm can loose their entire income for two years from severe frost damage, with damaging frost occurring in less than 20 minutes if not protected. It is not unheard of to have up to 30 nights of damaging frost during the spring growing season. By irrigating their bogs with water during a frost event, the layer of ice that forms over the vines actually protects the plant from the killing cold temperatures.
A relatively new technology to the cranberry industry, automated irrigation systems enable growers to automatically turn on and off their irrigation pumps. These systems use sensors placed within the cranberry vines to monitor temperature and other weather conditions. These systems are fully-controllable via the Internet and growers can log onto a secure site to monitor and manage each pump. On average, a recent survey showed that growers utilizing automated irrigation systems can save more than 9,000 gallons of water per acre on a frost night. In addition, there are substantial savings in the amount of wear on the pumps, as well as on labor and fuel costs.
During the fall months, cranberry growers need to monitor their bogs for frost on cold nights. Since cranberry bogs are usually the lowest feature in the landscape, they typically can be 10-20 degrees cooler than the surrounding uplands. The cranberry plants contribute to radiational cooling, which can occur on clear, calm nights in the fall. These conditions can lead to temperatures that can damage the fruit, otherwise known as frost damage.
As the cranberries mature and turn from green to red in color, they are able to withstand colder temperatures. In late summer, green fruit can tolerate temperatures as low as 28°F. As the season progresses, a red blush begins to form on the fruit, providing a visual indication that lower temperatures may be tolerated by the ripening fruit. Each variety of cranberry has a different tolerance, that changes as the fruit ripens. As the fruit turn darker red, their frost hardiness increases. This tolerance only changes if the fruit then become over ripe, which occurs with late season fruit (late October and beyond) and then the tolerance begins to lessen again. The University of Massachusetts Cranberry Station has studied fall frost conditions and has determined the fruit tolerances that growers use as their working guidelines for when to frost protect. According to the published guidelines, the lowest safe temperature that cranberries can withstand is 23°F.
In order to protect the fruit from frost damage, growers run their irrigation system, coating the fruit with a blanket of water. Water protects the plants through the law of physics known as the Heat of Fusion. As the sprayed water coats the plants and berries, it begins to freeze. The physical process of water turning to ice releases heat and this heat warms the plants. As long as water continues to freeze and release heat, the berries are protected. Growers generally start their irrigation systems 2-3° above tolerance to insure that they have correctly established the plant's tolerance and that their temperature probes (place in the cranberry bogs) are recording accurately.
A relatively new technology to the cranberry industry, automated irrigation systems enable growers to automatically turn on and off their irrigation pumps. These systems use sensors placed within the cranberry vines to monitor temperature and other weather conditions. These systems are fully-controllable via the Internet and growers can log onto a secure site to monitor and manage each pump. On average, a recent survey showed that growers utilizing automated irrigation systems can save more than 9,000 gallons of water per acre on a frost night. In addition, there are substantial savings in the amount of wear on the pumps, as well as on labor and fuel costs.
Cranberry growers in Massachusetts flood their bogs to protect cranberry vines from the frigid temperatures and drying winds of winter. The cold temperatures turn the floodwater into ice, allowing cranberry growers to access their bogs to spread sand. Spreading clean sand on cranberry bogs is a practice that dates back to the commercial birth of the industry. In 1816, Captain Henry Hall of Dennis, Massachusetts discovered that sand blowing on his cranberry vines stimulated the vine's growth. He quickly began spreading sand over his vines on a regular basis.
Ice sanding occurs typically mid January through mid February when conditions favor the formation of enough ice to support the sanding equipment (generally 3-4 inches of ice is the minimum requirement). Grower’s use home made ice sanders that will spread an even layer of sand on the ice. When the ice melts the sand will sift into the vines.
Sanding is a Best Management Practice and is also part of a Integrated Pest Management program. Sanding can aid in pest control by burying weed seeds, fungal spores, insect eggs and over-wintering insects. The primary benefit of the sand layer is to stimulate the development of new roots and to cover the bare wood at the base of the plants, leading to renewal of the root system and the production of new shoots. By sanding, growers can reduce the need for fertilizers and pesticides but can limit production for the year. This impact is lessened when sand is applied on the ice rather than directly on the vines in the sprin
Cranberries are adapted to the relative lack of fertility in their native sandy soils. These soils are low in organic matter in the root zone and have relatively little clay, the two soil components that can hold nutrients available to the plants. Though the plant is adapted to low soil fertility, fertilizers are essential because nutrients are taken from the bog through the harvest of fruit. Nitrogen (N), phosphorous (P), and potassium (K) are the three elements most often added to the bog, since these are the elements removed in the largest quantities when the crop is harvested. Despite the necessity for N-P-K fertilizer in cranberry cultivation, fertilizer use is low in comparison to that in traditional agronomic crops such as corn or soybeans.
Inherent to the wetland environment required for cultivation is intense pest pressure. Many weeds and insects thrive along side the dikes and ditches of the bog as well as on the bog itself. The cultivated environment with adequate water and mineral needs represents optimum growing conditions for many of the cranberry’s natural and introduced competitors. Specialized insects in turn are offered thousands of acres of one of the few foods they are adapted to eat, the cranberry. Moreover, fungi become an increasing threat in the moist environment of the bog.
Many of the cranberry varieties cultivated commercially in southeastern Massachusetts are also native to this area. Consequently, herbivorous insects, pathogenic fungi and parasitic weeds have adapted and thoroughly permeated the local environment.
Cranberry growers in southeastern Massachusetts and Cape Cod are bringing the buzz back to the cranberry bogs with migratory honey bees and bumble bees for cranberry flower pollination. It is vital that growers introduce migratory honey bees and/or bumble bees; According to Anne Averill, Entomologist with U-Mass Cranberry Station “Similar to many other fruit crops, bees are needed for adequate pollination. Cranberry flowers are not capable of self fertilization so pollinators are required to move pollen from one flower to another.” Often, several pollination visits are needed to ensure good berry development.
A grower needs to carefully time the delivery of the bees to the bogs. Cranberry blossoms are not a high priority flower for all bees. Cranberry blossom do not offer the same nectar appeal that other crops offer. If bees are introduced prematurely, the bee will fly off and find other flowers to pollinate, such as area weeds. Once a cranberry bog starts to blossom at 5%, bees should be introduced. Honey bees are hard workers, but they do prefer a dry day. Bumble bees offer another option for pollination, and will work earlier and later in the day and when the cranberry bogs are wet. It’s a grower’s choice and many growers introduce both honey and bumble bees to their farms.
Migratory honey bees will remain on the cranberry bogs until mid July; after that, cranberry pollination has ended, and the bees will continue to forage for pollen and nectar from other flowers in the area. Growers do not want summer weeds to be pollinated. Golden rod grows within the cranberry bog system, along with other invasive weeds. Once pollination is over, migratory bees relocate to another crop. The only buzz of the bee is from the native bees that live within the bog system all year long.


The old rule-of-thumb states that cranberry vines need approximately an inch of water a week to grow. Growers use water to protect cranberries from frost and hot weather in summer. As a general rule, each acre of cranberries will use seven to ten feet of water to meet all production, harvesting and flooding needs. There are two main ways cranberry growers bring water onto the bogs – through sprinkler systems and through flooding.

Sprinkler Systems
Sprinkler irrigation supplements soil moisture, protects the buds from spring frosts and the berries from fall frosts and cools the plants during intense summer heat. There are two vital operations performed by sprinklers on cranberry bogs - Irrigation and Frost Protection.

Irrigation
Cranberries can require 0.20-0.25 inches of water per acre per day during the hottest, driest and windiest weather. The standard recommendation is for vines to receive an inch of water per week from either rain, capillary action from groundwater, irrigation or some combination of these. Best Management Practices recommend irrigating in the early morning, so as not to extend the time the plants are naturally wet. This practice also minimizes loss from evaporation, run-off and drift, which can amount to 30 percent of water that comes out of the nozzle.

Frost Protection
Frost protection applies water to prevent damage to buds and berries when they are sensitive to temperatures below freezing. There are two times of the year when cranberry growers worry about frost – in the spring and in the fall. It is necessary to apply at least 0.10 inch of water per acre per hour to provide basic frost protection. This will protect the plants to about 24 degrees F under calm conditions.

Flooding
The other practice when cranberry growers use water on the bog is flooding. Flooding is so important in cranberry cultivation that bogs where flooding is not possible are no longer considered profitable. Cranberry growers use flooding as a management tool to protect the plants from the cold, drying winds of winter, to harvest and remove fallen leaves and to control pests.

Winter Flood
Cranberry vines may be injured or killed by severe winter weather. This injury, winterkill, is prevented by protecting the vines with a winter flood. The winter flood may be applied as early as December 1 and remains on the bog as long as winterkill conditions are present or forecasted. Generally, growers hold the flood no later than March 15.

Late Water
Another flooding technique cranberry growers use is known as late water. Late water floods have been used since the 1940’s and have been used to protect the bog from spring frost and to provide some pest control. In modern cranberry production, holding late water refers to the practice of withdrawing the winter flood in March then re-flooding the bog in later April for one month.

Harvest Flood
The most widely-known use of flooding in cranberry cultivation is for harvest. Approximately 90 percent of the crop is harvested this way. Flood harvesting occurs after the berries are well colored and the flood waters have lost their summer heat. The bogs are flooded with up to one foot of water. In order to conserve water, harvest is managed so water is reused to harvest as many sections of bog as possible before the water is released from the system. Flood water is recycled in the cranberry bog system, passed from bog to bog through canals and flume holding ponds and reused, often shared by several growers.

Moramo misliti na razliku u klimi i tlu, a teorija je jedno,a praksa opet drugo, iako jedno bez drugog ne ide.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/75749135/RS-americke-brusnice

Hvala vam ljudi na ovim info. do sada! Jednostavno ne znam za koju bi se odlučio. Mišljenja sam da bi mi američka nekako više odgovarala.

I još da spomenem kako brusnicu planiram saditi na zemlji, dakle nikakve tegle jer planiram posaditi više toga.

zoky28 gdje si ti nabavio sadnice? Imaš kakvu preporuku? Koja je cijena jedne sadnice? Kakvi su ti planovi s plodovima? Nekakva domaća proizvodnja ili izvoz? Jesi li možda probao kuhati čaj od lišća? Jer koliko znam, kod brusnice je iskoristivo i lišće.

Sorry na 100000000000 pitanja ali, volio bi znati...

I molio bi sve koji nešto znaju o brusnici da se pridruže temi! Lijep pozdrav svima

Samo mi nije jasno kako je kod nas poznato da postojie samo dvije vrste brusnica a vidite ovo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vaccinium.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium

Cranberries, Lingonberries (cowberries), Huckleberries (background) ima dosta tih naziva i to me zbunjuje. Zna li netko više o tome?

čak postoje i neke koje rastu u vodi, i tako se beru nekim strojevima...ufff

Ma tko pita ne skita i mene zanima to s liscem samo nemogu nac literaturu kad se bere i susi list a za plodove za pocetak pojest pa kolaci pa pekmez itd.
cijena sadnice ti je 30 kn ja sam iso u pozegu po njih ali sad imam svoje to bi ti preporucio kupi 2-3 brusnice i dalje ih sam razmnozavaj NE pazis na satu

RSF1 je napisao/la:Samo mi nije jasno kako je kod nas poznato da postojie samo dvije vrste brusnica a vidite ovo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vaccinium.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium

Cranberries, Lingonberries (cowberries), Huckleberries (background) ima dosta tih naziva i to me zbunjuje. Zna li netko više o tome?

čak postoje i neke koje rastu u vodi, i tako se beru nekim strojevima...ufff

ludi amerikanci sta god su brali rucno naziv im je .......berries sta da ti kazem.
A za ovo na vodi to su im polja sa brusnicama kad dozriju naplave citav teren plodovi isplivaju na povrsinu i onda ih poberu a u sjevernijim drzavama gdje su hladnije zime tako ih stite i od smrzavanja.

Mislim da sam negdje čitao da se lišće bere nakon berbe plodova. Nisam siguran.

Koliko si ih ti uspio razmnožiti?

ma ne brojim od 4-7 mj mozes razmnozavati odsjeces grancicu i zapiknes ,a mozes i kao vinovu lozu zatrpas je jednostavno u zemlju ja sam znao jednu granu na prekide ostavim samo malo je vani i kad pusti korjen samo skarama odvojim -ma bolje nego vrba se prima

A kakvu visinu dosegne američka brusnica?

I u kakvoj zemlji imaš svoje brusnice? Jel stavljaš gnojivo kakvo ili piljovinu?

sad su do10cm a katu da ide do 25.
u obicnoj zemlji pomjesane sa pijeskom i piljevinom i dodo sam malo sumpora od oka i obavezno im dodavaj pijesak svake godine

Kako da im dodajem pijesak? Misliš samo oko brusnice da prosipam ili? Kao piljevinom?

hm,hm,hm... daj ti onda meni reci šta je ovo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKfgcyqHiEo&feature=related

to mene jako zbunjuje, negdje čitam da dostiže visinu kao što ti veliš a onda negdje vidim ove monstrume... I gle te listove... ne kužim.

valjda GMO

zoky jel bi htio stavit par slikica svoje brusnice? američke i europske?

evo par slika americka sad ima crven list a europska zelen uvjek na 6 slici pola je list pocrnio oboljela(visak dusika) [img] [/img]

E hvala ti na slikicama! Ja se nadam da ću u proljeće zasadit svoje brusnice i uživat u njima.